What codes would come up when the timing chain fails? Can the timing chain issue be identified through scoping? Two questions: Should I be concerned about the timing chain/guides issue in her vehicle? E84 What can be the issue, they have fixed it twice already, I dont know what the automatic calibration means on a sulve.,,,on this P3195 code that isnt a factory code so I dont know what it means,,,you said BMW fixed the radiator what did they do to the radiator,,,,did they replace it,,,,you could have a t-stat issue causing a temperature problem with the radiator,,,or a water pump issue,,,,I need BMW codes,,, not P codes. One customer describe his 2013 BMW F18 525Li with 61000km mileage got trouble.The car engine warning light on and central display "Transmission malfunction".But it can start engine and accelerate normally.More repair cases about BMW,please check here:BMW Trouble Repair Use BMW ISID to diagnose,got trouble code as below: Fault Code: 135401 Fault Explanation: Valvetronic: overloaded Content on bimmerfest.com is generated by its users. Ok you have a couple of things going on here,,,,that fault code just ignore,,,that fault code is a bogus fault some kind of software bug,,,,,ok you start stop function not working I dont know without looking at the car,,,,now the car shutting off while driving sound like the fuel pump and the fuel pump relay EKPS module is going bad,,,,I would have those checked out next time. SITUATION Thanks for the input, do you think dealership will take my picture as evidence and approve chain replacement? Recently purchased 2104 BMW X1 28i x drive. Stop and starting the car there is no difference. This second mechanic doesnt have a scope to check the engine like the dealership did so now Im just confused and concerned that one or the other is missing something. https://youtu.be/FQ92t236Utg. I remove the spark plugs all 4 complete soaked and i also remove the Dinan piggy back complete and connect harness direct to DME I also replace the DME with use one [CLONE] still no start but i notice when i crack one of the injector line the fuel pressure is very low which normal be busting out the lines, fuel pump shaft is not broken and no DTC. The BMW N20 is a 4-cylinder, turbocharged engine produced from 2011-2017, and was BMW's replacement for the naturally aspirated 3.0L 6-cylinder N52/N53 engines. BMW X3 and X4 Forums | F25 (2011 - 2017) | F26 (2014 - 2017), Second Generation BMW X3 (F25) General Forum, https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/fshaft/HtiBPV3K, https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2053485-8362.pdf. https://www.bmwtis.net/tiscode/cgi-bin/bulletin.aspx?sie_path=/tsb/bulletins/htm_store/158. Kostenlose Lieferung fr viele Artikel! The hardcore BMW fan base could not help but fall in love with the spritely performance offered by this upgraded engine. The engine was low water damaged. Since its not on the list, does this mean this timing chain guide failure is highly unlikely? E89 Thanks you! Question,,,what is a DME clone,,,,is it a used DME?,,,,or a aftermarket replacement DME. This documentation is not necessary when part of an approved Technical Service repair procedure; These are all pretty standard specs for most modern BMW engines. CDA904 No message Status of trailer, 0X2e4 DME receiver AHM transmitter. Please advice. It would get to 17% and quit. E84 and E89: I have a SULEV vehicle so its definitely an N20 engine. Had mechanic put on Autel code reader diagnostics and got 10 or so codes relating to things such as the dinamic stability control, fuel pump. 1; 120408 Charging pressure control: switch-off as consequence So your car software level is July of 2019,,,,this is when it was last updated,,,so your car has fairly new software. Do I have to buy the extended warranty to get the timing chain replaced by BMW or the 7/70 warranty is for all bmw? Dash lights up with transmission gear exclamation point and lift ramp both in yellow. I went to the shop today to see what codes it was and i got a code: P13C0. Thats important to know for later. I got this issue and luckily BMW covered it 100%. You are correct almost all the problem are in the States,,,all the engines are built in the same plant,,,there is a good chance that the fuel is the cause of these problems,,,,yes it is a good thing your car is not on the list. It appears to be a relatively simple, .5 hr swap. F30 / F31 / F32 / F33 / F34 / F36 (2012 - current). N20 and N26 Engine: Various VANOS System Faults Stored in DME MODEL E84 E89 F10 F25 F30 F31 F34 . The Bank 1 on the definition refers to the side of the engine that has the cylinder #1. thanks for the input. are the codes it wont start i have a timing chain set on the way have you seen any of these engine survive after Im getting error codes 120408 Charging Pressure Control: Switched off. Next day car returned to BMW with propulsion light . Should I worry about the timing chain issue? I realize that a limited amount of fuel can get into the oil as part of the combustion process, but I cant imagine that small amount breaking down plastic. cover and expose some wires and by moving around stuff they was rubbing together and i had the battery connect at that time too.need some help please thank in advance, Ok,,,,you said you smell gas and black smoke out of the exhaust, and you have wiring harness damage to Dinan piggy back,,,I would think this is your problem the harness is damaged and can be causing your problem with the fuel injectors dumping to much fuel into the engine,,,you can remove the spark plugs and see if they are fuel soaked to verify this problem,,,,I dont know if you can remove the Dinan piggy back and put it back to stock.,,,I hope this helps, Update on my car was other human error wrong timing was locking the camshaft with lobs facing down, i correct it and veh stated up right away..THANKS for taking time to assess me. What could be the problem? WARRANTY INFORMATION Wont restart. Replace the solenoid that the code followed. If it is not on the list then it is not covered under that bulletin,,,but BMW does have some other programs,,,you need to go to the dealer and have your key remote reader performed and it will say if you are covered for any timing chain defects. E84 and E89: This is a common issue on the N20 engine. The documentation claimed that it would take one minute for the VANOS cold start faults to appear. What symptoms and codes might you get if your timing chain had failed? The engine sounds exactly the same as the first time it started after the timing chain installation. Hello and thank you for your various articles on the n20 engine. One last question about dirty oil. One other odd problem during this time was the oil level test did not work. I fear that your 2012 X1 is now past the 7 year warranty limit. Covered under the terms of the BMW New Car/SAV Limited Warranty or the BMW Certified Pre- my mechanic had replaced the both the vanos solonoids and cleared the faults. I have a 2013 528xi. The intake cam had the following desired/actual degrees: 0/-8, -20/-20, -10.4/-10, -20/-20 and -10.4/-10. Most likely you have broken timing chain guides and the whole timing set will need to be replaced. My rule if its not broken dont fix it,,,,dont take the solenoids apart ok,,,,the turbo boost fault was related to the vanos faults. Unfortunately for me, I was not informed about an extended free warrantee on the chain and guides, BMW kept it quiet. programming and it fails to program correctly or requires initialization, this additional work must dtc are 131401 and 131501 . Cheers, Also, I had the whole transmission replaced at 42K miles when I bought it. It definitely isnt a prominent/dangerous rattling sound like in the video Jack posted on Aug 30. This is due to a diagnostic programming error in the DME. Also after cold start also misfire error pops up. Thanks for your time. The only fault was still the boost disable fault. Thoughts?? Was it coincidental and maybe the bits of trash in the both VANOS spool valves cleared at the exact same time? This will likely be the first and last BMW I will ever own. Connect scan tool to the 16-pin data link connector (DLC) located underneath the steering column. The BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty applies to BMW CPO vehicles that are still E84 and E89 The boost control fault is caused by the vanos fault,,,you need to check into the the vanos faults to see whats going on. charger. My daughters 2013 survived. 131501-VANOS inlet, cold start not consolable. SHAME ON BMW!!!!! Last question- if it is a failing timing chain- is this a something best repaired in a couple weeks, or do I have a few months. Hello question I have 428xi n26 sulev f32 and I was looking at my key reader report and where it says Software version/updates section: I-level current integration level of vehicle F020-19-07-539. You referenced this TSB in your comment to Ronnie back in 2017. Cheers. bimmerfest.com is not in any way affiliated with Bayerische Motoren Werke AG. This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B12 15 13 dated September 2013. 130108 Your email address will not be published. Its hard to say without performing some test with a diagnostic equipment. Also can sparkplugs have any influence to this situation? Charging pressure control: Switch-off as consequence Rather it is no cost extended warranty in Canada. 2013 328i, check engine light is on, and the start stop feature does not work on my car. Ask an Expert Car Questions BMW Questions 3,220 Satisfied Customers Roger is online now Related BMW Questions Have an issue after replacing valve cover gasket the car has The oil was black though. and cam shaft are not in alignment any more. Reduced power" warning, 745i 2002 - Engine Malfunction - reduced power, If this is your first visit, be sure to
What's even more exciting about the N20 engine is that this four-cylinder engine is capable of generating a stunning power of 240 HP and a sizzling torque of 260 lb-ft. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Please note the displayed battery voltage reading in the repair order comments section. The BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty applies to BMW CPO vehicles that are still Could you please guide me? Is this true? Thanks for responding. Code 130104 Vanos intake control fault camshaft stuck You could remove the valve cover and get a friend to hold tension on the chain while you change the tensioner, but its not exactly a quick job. Example: 180101 or 1B9308 or 30FF Enter fault code Emissions Standard Would you suspect this is more related to the software reprogram or is the timing off? If so, can i buy the warranty for a used car now? Thanks. I bought 2012 X1 with 85,000km and after reading different posts makes me worried about the timing chain issue, I called the dealer they said there is no recall on this vehicle except driver side air bag! 3. Click on the BMW wont tell us why some models have problems and some dont,,,,it could be because of horsepower,,,,,you could replace tensioner if you want,,,,,it wouldnt hurt anything, Thanks for the reply i think its 220i and 320i uses the exact engine N20 my F22 2014 car now has 105000kms since its not in the list , in general what do u advice me to do shall i just keep my ears alerted to sounds or u advise me to take to service center and maintain the chain so i can save the engine ? Hello again, hope you having great day!! The dealership should be interested in fixing it because it means money for the tech and for the dealership,,,,that doesnt make any sense. I still have under 70k miles and not reached 7 years. I say bad engineering or a BMW scam? I have a X1 E84 with the N20 engine. The engine is running rough at idle. In US the N20/N26 timing chain extended limited warranty is 7 years/70000 miles, so what is extended coverage available in your country? Tried test with ista for vanos solenoid test removed solenoid stiff does not move when activated. The engine was idling when it happened. It should show something like incorrect angle/position. 131401 vanos exhaust cold start not controllable Since this is two months beyond the window provided by BMW for the extended warranty, are the chances that my car will experience this timing chain guide failure highly unlikely? Ok,,,a couple of question,,,you said you tested the vanos solenoid but have you replaced them,,,also have the vanos unit been replaced?,,,,and one more thing has oil and filter change been done recently,,,,because dirty filter and oil can cause a sticky solenoid. Tried new battery. What me be causing this? My service guy called and told me to sell the car immediately because oil wasnt circulating through the engine and eventually it would seize. I had 2014 328i and having no issue yet so far,but im concern about the timing chain since my car is on the list of having problems with the timing chain,i checked the vin number to see if there is a recall for that and did not see anything,what should i do to double check ?should i go to dealership and just tell them about this bulleti? i took it to a euro car guy that i know he flashed the transmission and that solved the problem, did you get it sorted I, having the same faults. 2011 BMW 535i [0.00] 535i drivertrain malfunction. The values changed. Looks all good. https://www.bmwtis.net/tiscode/cgi-bin/bulletin.aspx?sie_path=/tsb/bulletins/htm_store/158 1/6/2014 2D54 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Non-adjustable Note: When the ISTA system message displays: Battery voltage only XX.XX V. Please connect Please advice me how can I go about with the local dealer? Location: Chicago. I dont know if failing VANOS system should give any data to computer and should show somekind bad data or shouldnt show anything. Car history: before selling the car last owner took it to BMW, changed oil and filters, rear tires and spark plugs. Code 131501 Variable camshaft timing control VANOS intake cold start- not controllable F025-13-07-506 for the F25 133E10 -permanent valvetronic system: deactivated, adjustment fault too frequent During highway driving the car drives fine. In sports mode, or when driving more active in doesn't come on. Hi. I havent been sleeping well. Hi Andreas, This question has appeared in your blog before. Changed the solenoid valves. If one of the applicable faults listed above is not stored in the DME fault memory then continue When the VANOS units were removed there was no visible trash. your input is much apreciated, There a BMW sib 12 15 13 which says this problem is due to a software issue with the DME ,,,,you need to program the vehicle,,,,you can see the bulletin on the Internet. Maybe the function test is different with cold start faults present. Ok Ill do that. The crank pin to hold at TDC goes through the tiny hole pointing to the rear of the car by the catalytic converter, the only thing this would be able to hold onto would be the flex plate/flywheel. Now im getting vanos inlet, outlet codes, along with vanos camshaft jammed for both intake and exhaust. I have 2013 BMW X1 xdrive28i with 79,000 km on it. 61 00 720 Refer to KSD2 Programming / encoding control unit(s) I know impulse sending wheels and camshaft they need to be lined up using a special tool. Cloning means making full copy of ISN files from original DME and copy it over to use DME, So what happens if the ISN files are corrupted and you just copied it over to the other DMEare the pins damaged on the original DME ,,,or are the connection on the harness damage,,,,we just had a car last mouth where the harness was damaged for the fuel injector signals causing fuel to dump,,,the harness was damaged on the connector for the DME,,,you might have to perform OHM test on the harness to make sure the harness and connections are good. I am thinking switching vanos solenoids and see result. MODEL I have ISTA-D and scared the following codes. Thank You very much for the reply !! Thank you. A forum community dedicated to BMW owners and enthusiasts. Do you think it has to do something with the timing belt. 131501 vanos inlet cold start not controllable and 120408 boost pressure control cut off pressure rise blocked 2011 x3. 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